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Public Audit Committee 19 November 2014 : Wednesday, November 19, 2014
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab)

The questions so far have focused on the complexity of the European programme, which the Auditor General addressed in her report. However, her report was about not just the complexity of EU demands but what she termed management shortcomings. Do you accept her criticism in that respect?



Public Audit Committee 19 November 2014 : Wednesday, November 19, 2014
Ken Macintosh

You said that there were two aspects to the management shortcomings, but the Auditor General actually made three points in that respect. The first was

“insufficient capacity and capability”,

the second was a

“lack of programme plan and critical path”

and the third was about

“Integration of the whole programme and lack of consistent approach”.

One concern that the Auditor General raised and which was certainly shared by the committee was that these very same issues were raised by the Auditor General in the 2012 report “Managing ICT contracts”. Am I right in thinking that you were aware of that report, and the difficulties that the Government has had in managing IT contracts, before you started this particular programme?



Public Audit Committee 19 November 2014 : Wednesday, November 19, 2014
Ken Macintosh

Mr Crawford asked earlier about the lessons that we could learn from this project, but the point is that those lessons should already have been learned. Why were they not? Given that the Government’s governance of previous IT projects has led to exactly the same problems, why were the lessons not learned before you started this project? Why did you wait until things went wrong?



Public Audit Committee 19 November 2014 : Wednesday, November 19, 2014
Ken Macintosh

It is not entirely an EU-driven project, is it? A decision was taken to get other benefits from the programme, including the land mapping and the mobile technology. Whose decision was that? Was it taken by the senior management team or by the minister, and at what stage was it taken?



Public Audit Committee 19 November 2014 : Wednesday, November 19, 2014
Ken Macintosh

The point is that you have dropped all those parts. We are not going to get any of those benefits, so it sounds to me as if they were unnecessary. Were you adding something to the project that was unnecessary at the beginning?



Public Audit Committee 19 November 2014 : Wednesday, November 19, 2014
Ken Macintosh

I think that the committee recognises what you are saying. The difficulty is that the additional features added to an already complex system. They have now been dropped, but the cost has risen, so we are getting no benefits and the future of the project has actually been jeopardised. Am I right?



Public Audit Committee 19 November 2014 : Wednesday, November 19, 2014
Ken Macintosh

Is there no jeopardy to the programme at all? Is the programme on course to be delivered on time?



Public Audit Committee 19 November 2014 : Wednesday, November 19, 2014
Ken Macintosh

Did they add to the complexity?



Public Audit Committee 19 November 2014 : Wednesday, November 19, 2014
Ken Macintosh

When will your cut-off point be? You have a deadline of May 2015. At what point will you agree either that the programme is going to work and that you will go with it or that you will abandon ship and put in place the contingency plans to which the Auditor General refers?



Public Audit Committee 19 November 2014 : Wednesday, November 19, 2014
Ken Macintosh

The original cost estimates were out by at least 25 per cent. That was in May, when you put in the gateway review. After that review, costs rose again, by another £10 million. Have costs risen since then?

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