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Public Petitions Committee 11 November 2014 : Tuesday, November 11, 2014
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con)

Good morning. I am something of an atheist, too, albeit that I am an unconvinced and unhappy one. You said that your petition had attracted international interest and support, although I note that it has no signatories attached to it. Perhaps you can explain that.

I was struck by how Charles Darwin might recognise your predicament. At one point, the role was completely reversed, in that it was the science that was being challenged, rather than the alternative.

I was not present at the creation of the planet.



Public Petitions Committee 11 November 2014 : Tuesday, November 11, 2014
Jackson Carlaw

I am sceptical about most things, although I tend towards the evolutionary scientific theory that you espouse. I would really like to know what you think is the worst that can happen.



Public Petitions Committee 11 November 2014 : Tuesday, November 11, 2014
Jackson Carlaw

Do we not live in a slightly more real environment? For example, my mother’s mother told her that she was delivered by a stork. She then went to a biology class and heard that there was a more scientific way she was delivered. She went home, where her mother told her that, although that might be how people do things in Scotland, it was certainly not how they do them in England.

My point is that parents have a role in education. Young people are impressionable, but education is a very rounded thing. Would seeking to drive underground what you and I both, I think, regard as a ridiculous notion serve any particular purpose? I am not persuaded that any real harm is being done in all this. In the wider context of education, parental involvement and the school, do you not think that the evolutionary model will prevail?



Public Petitions Committee 11 November 2014 : Tuesday, November 11, 2014
Jackson Carlaw

My point is that people, through a form of education, come to understand that the truth is somewhat different, without it necessarily having been emphasised in the way that you might have wished.



Public Petitions Committee 11 November 2014 : Tuesday, November 11, 2014
Jackson Carlaw

I have gone through life with children being taught about socialism, which is equally discredited, but it does not do any great harm for them to be told what it is all about. I wonder what you think the damage to the intellect of a child will be overall. Do you just have a concern that such teaching might lead to something more sinister, or can you point to anything that has actually been damaged in the development of children into adults as a result of their having been exposed to the theory in the midst of all the real science?



Public Petitions Committee 11 November 2014 : Tuesday, November 11, 2014
Jackson Carlaw

We tell children that Santa Claus exists.



Public Petitions Committee 11 November 2014 : Tuesday, November 11, 2014
Jackson Carlaw

There were no inverted commas in my house.



Public Petitions Committee 11 November 2014 : Tuesday, November 11, 2014
Jackson Carlaw

It is because of the statement to which Angus MacDonald has referred that I am slightly terrified by John Wilson’s suggestion that we should become highly prescriptive about what is taught in schools.

I am not in favour of closing the petition at this stage but, in light of what the Government has already said, I would be in favour of writing to it to ask it to confirm its view that the present system—and the discretion that it provides for—is robust enough to ensure that, in the round, children come out of school with the broadest possible education, which should be based on rational common sense; there should be no need to interfere in the content of that.

When I asked what harm had been done, the witnesses gave some anecdotal examples of things that might have occurred at international universities. That seemed very distant and far removed from the experience in primary schools in Scotland today. We should check that the Government believes that robust enough systems exist for it to cope with any curious views that might emerge and that, if it ever felt that that was under threat at some stage in the future, it would review the issue in the light of those changed circumstances.



Public Petitions Committee 11 November 2014 : Tuesday, November 11, 2014
Jackson Carlaw

Thank you for this important and quite excellently presented petition, which has a clear issue of concern at its heart. I have noted your comments about the variable charges, and I would like to run a few questions together on that issue.

First, you said that the Scottish Government had asked COSLA to harmonise the system a long time ago. To your knowledge, what action has the Scottish Government taken, given that nothing further has been done on the matter? Moreover, is the situation a direct consequence of a permanent council tax freeze? That measure might have been sustainable for a period of time, but councils now seem to be left with no option but to seek to raise charges, whatever their variable nature, from various groups. That is now compounding the effect on families, and charging for care services is an area where we now see that not everything is a bed of roses as a result of the council tax freeze.

Finally, I imagine that at one time the level at which charging cuts in bore some relation to the threshold for income tax, which has now significantly increased. The threshold is now way beyond £6,000, or even £8,000; it is now £10,000, and it is set to rise further. Given that the income tax threshold is now much higher, it seems to be a clear injustice that charges are being levelled on people with an income that is substantially less than the level at which we would deem it appropriate to charge income tax.



Public Petitions Committee 11 November 2014 : Tuesday, November 11, 2014
Jackson Carlaw

Thank you. That answers my questions.

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S4M-11567.2 Margaret Mitchell: Lowering the Drink Drive Limit—As an amendment to motion S4M-11567 in
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S4M-11507.1 Cameron Buchanan: Progressive Workplace Policies to Boost Productivity, Growth and Jobs—
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S4M-11507 Angela Constance: Progressive Workplace Policies to Boost Productivity, Growth and Jobs—Th
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S4M-11494.3 Jackie Baillie: Welfare Benefits for People Living with Disabilities—As an amendment to
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S4M-11494.2 Alex Johnstone: Welfare Benefits for People Living with Disabilities—As an amendment to
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S4M-11494 Margaret Burgess: Welfare Benefits for People Living with Disabilities—That the Parliament
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S4M-11484.1 Jackson Carlaw: Human Rights—As an amendment to motion S4M-11484 in the name of Roseanna
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Motion S4M-11601: Jackson Carlaw, West Scotland, Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party, Date Lodged: 19/11/2014 Show Full Motion >>
Motion S4M-11484.1: Jackson Carlaw, West Scotland, Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party, Date Lodged: 10/11/2014 Show Full Motion >>
Motion S4M-11451: Jackson Carlaw, West Scotland, Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party, Date Lodged: 06/11/2014 Show Full Motion >>
Motion S4M-11358: Jackson Carlaw, West Scotland, Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party, Date Lodged: 29/10/2014 Show Full Motion >>
Motion S4M-11251: Jackson Carlaw, West Scotland, Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party, Date Lodged: 20/10/2014 Show Full Motion >>
Motion S4M-10939: Jackson Carlaw, West Scotland, Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party, Date Lodged: 08/09/2014 Show Full Motion >>
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Motion S4M-10854: Jackson Carlaw, West Scotland, Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party, Date Lodged: 20/08/2014 Show Full Motion >>
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Question S4O-03589: Jackson Carlaw, West Scotland, Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party, Date Lodged: 30/09/2014 Show Full Question >>
Question S4W-22404: Jackson Carlaw, West Scotland, Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party, Date Lodged: 19/08/2014 Show Full Question >>
Question S4W-22350: Jackson Carlaw, West Scotland, Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party, Date Lodged: 12/08/2014 Show Full Question >>
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