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Public Audit Committee 08 October 2014 : Wednesday, October 08, 2014
The Convener (Hugh Henry)

Good morning and welcome to the 16th meeting in 2014 of the Public Audit Committee. I have received apologies from James Dornan—David Torrance is attending in his place—and Tavish Scott. I remind everyone to make sure that electronic devices are switched off or switched to a mode that does not interfere with the recording equipment.

Agenda item 1 is to decide whether to take items 5, 6 and 7 in private. Do members agree to do that?

Members indicated agreement.



Public Audit Committee 08 October 2014 : Wednesday, October 08, 2014
The Convener

Agenda item 2 is the continuation of evidence taking on the section 23 report, “Accident and Emergency: Performance Update”. I welcome Paul Gray, who is the director general of health and social care and the chief executive of NHS Scotland; John Connaghan, who is the director for health workforce and performance; John Matheson, who is the director of finance, e-health and pharmaceuticals; Professor Jason Leitch, who is the clinical director of the quality unit; and Dr Aileen Keel, who is the Scottish Government’s acting chief medical officer.

I do not know whether Mr Gray or any of his colleagues wishes to make an opening statement.



Public Audit Committee 08 October 2014 : Wednesday, October 08, 2014
The Convener

Thank you very much.

You recognised in your opening statement that you are not yet meeting the 98 per cent standard or target. However, you also talked about milestones. Did you reach the 95 per cent performance milestone in September?



Public Audit Committee 08 October 2014 : Wednesday, October 08, 2014
The Convener

Are you confident that you will reach at least 95 per cent?



Public Audit Committee 08 October 2014 : Wednesday, October 08, 2014
The Convener

Okay.

Dr Martin McKechnie, the new chair of the College of Emergency Medicine Scotland, has acknowledged that the additional £50 million that the Scottish Government invested has helped to “curb a crisis”—I am not sure whether those are his words or the words of the journalist who reported him.

However, Dr McKechnie went on to say:

“We still have unresolved serious issues”.

Do you accept that?



Public Audit Committee 08 October 2014 : Wednesday, October 08, 2014
The Convener

You mention Lanarkshire, and last week we heard evidence from a number of boards, including NHS Lanarkshire. One of the interesting things that I suspect the committee will want to look at more closely is how boards share good practice as well as how problems are identified.

We heard from NHS Tayside about its efforts to ensure that people do not attend A and E unnecessarily when they could be treated elsewhere. We also heard from NHS Lanarkshire that it was quite confident that it could sustain the present A and E configuration, but since then I have seen correspondence that suggests that the general practitioner out-of-hours service in Lanarkshire is having problems. I think that there are five units in Lanarkshire and a couple of them had to be closed.

In areas where the GP out-of-hours service is unable to cope, we heard concern that the public would make their own decisions. Mary Scanlon identified a number of areas in the country where it seemed that the public were attending A and E because they felt that that was probably the easiest and quickest way to receive a service. In areas such as Lanarkshire, if the GP out-of-hours service is unable to cope because of a lack of staff, does that not place a huge burden on an already-overstretched A and E service?

09:45  

Public Audit Committee 08 October 2014 : Wednesday, October 08, 2014
The Convener

Professor Leitch said that the data is weak, but that is not Audit Scotland’s fault. Audit Scotland can compile only what is presented to it. If the data is weak, that is the fault of the NHS and the health department. It is not Audit Scotland’s responsibility. Why has the NHS, collectively, not sorted out the issue of weak data, to enable Audit Scotland to do an effective job on behalf of the public?



Public Audit Committee 08 October 2014 : Wednesday, October 08, 2014
The Convener

I understand that. However, we are not talking about something new; we are talking about something that is done on a semi-regular basis. The report is a performance update, not the initial report. You have known about the issue for a considerable time. Why did it take until yesterday for you to raise the issue and why is it taking until this afternoon for you to say that there is a serious problem with statistics?



Public Audit Committee 08 October 2014 : Wednesday, October 08, 2014
The Convener

So the data is not weak.



Public Audit Committee 08 October 2014 : Wednesday, October 08, 2014
The Convener

And that is not serious?

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S4M-11123 Joe FitzPatrick on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau: Business Motion—That the Parliament
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S4M-11114.2 Kenny MacAskill: Policing—As an amendment to motion S4M-11114 in the name of Graeme Pear
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S4M-11114 Graeme Pearson: Policing—That the Parliament acknowledges that policing in Scotland contin
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S4M-11116.1.1 Patrick Harvie: Scotland’s Future—As an amendment to amendment S4M-11116.1 in the name
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S4M-11116.1 Nicola Sturgeon: Scotland’s Future—As an amendment to motion S4M-11116 in the name of Jo
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S4M-11116 Johann Lamont: Scotland’s Future—That the Parliament recognises the result of the independ
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Amendment 61 moved by Elaine Murray on motion S4M-11101 Kenny MacAskill: Courts Reform (Scotland) Bi
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Amendment 62 moved by Margaret Mitchell on motion S4M-11101 Kenny MacAskill: Courts Reform (Scotland
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Amendment 63 moved by Margaret Mitchell on motion S4M-11101 Kenny MacAskill: Courts Reform (Scotland
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Amendment 64 moved by Margaret Mitchell on motion S4M-11101 Kenny MacAskill: Courts Reform (Scotland
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