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Meeting of the Parliament 04 March 2015 : Wednesday, March 04, 2015
Elaine Murray

We must discuss the issue in Parliament in full so that we have the reassurance that we require on the issues.

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Meeting of the Parliament 04 March 2015 : Wednesday, March 04, 2015
Elaine Murray

That is important, but we do not need to make the proposed changes to achieve that. The issues that a number of organisations have raised are sufficiently serious to mean that the changes must not slip through as amendments to the 2006 regulations.



Meeting of the Parliament 04 March 2015 : Wednesday, March 04, 2015
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)

The proposals for sharing information that is held on individuals in the national health service central register with a wide range of organisations caused increasing concern as the consultation drew to a close. We have heard about submissions from the BMA, the Royal College of General Practitioners and the UK information commissioner. They are not politically biased; they have genuine concerns that we need to listen to.

As Drew Smith pointed out, the NHSCR’s current purpose is to permit the movement of medical records—for example, when a patient moves and transfers their records from one GP practice to another. Each patient has a unique citizen’s reference number, to ensure that they have only one set of medical records, which is clearly to the patient’s benefit. At present, the NHSCR does not hold postcode information, although National Records of Scotland has that information, which is provided by health boards. I think that that relates to the CHI number.

The consultation document proposes adding address postcode information to the unique property reference number that the NHSCR already holds and permitting that to be shared with local authorities and health boards. Christine Grahame made a valid point about the amount of information that Tesco manages to glean about us when we do our shopping with our loyalty cards, but I doubt that Tesco is sharing any of that information, particularly with other supermarkets. I have always found it slightly worrying that Tesco might share information with the health service, which could find out whether people are buying alcohol or sweetened drinks, but I do not think that Tesco shares any of that information.

The proposed changes to schedule 2 to the National Health Service Central Register (Scotland) Regulations 2006 would allow the sharing of all the information, including postcodes and address codes, with health boards in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Practising solicitors and charitable bodies could be advised that the information is contained on the register—they could not be given it, but they could be told that it is there—and the full name, gender, date of birth, postcode and address reference code could be provided to HMRC.

That puzzles me slightly, because I always thought that we all get a national insurance number when we get old enough to take up employment, and surely that number plus possibly the obligation to say where we live would be enough to tackle the issue of HMRC knowing who should have a Scottish tax code.

As others have said, the proposed new schedule 3 to the 2006 regulations covers 120 organisations, including the Scottish Parliament. It would allow those organisations to find out about information

“that has been provided by a body or person specified in Schedule 3 but does not match that information.”

I do not know whether that would mean that those organisations could check that the information that they have is correct or whether they could just check whether somebody else has the information.

I understand the Scottish Government’s rationale for wanting to extend myaccount—the online public services system that is used in local government and the health service. I use the equivalent UK Government system for taxes, and it is useful to be able to do that. However, the question is whether, if I do that, someone else can check all sorts of information. What does that have to do with Prestwick airport, the Forestry Commission or the national parks? If I use myaccount to book something in a national park, does that mean that somebody else has the right to know my information? I do not understand the rationale behind that.

I agree with the Government that we want to ensure that all Scottish taxpayers pay their income tax in Scotland.



Justice Committee 03 March 2015 : Tuesday, March 03, 2015
Elaine Murray

I presume that there will be a revised financial memorandum.



Justice Committee 03 March 2015 : Tuesday, March 03, 2015
Elaine Murray

I appreciate that such things have happened before—indeed, I have argued against my own Government when it tried to make changes at stage 2—but it is not ideal for consulting and getting views from stakeholders.



Justice Committee 03 March 2015 : Tuesday, March 03, 2015
Elaine Murray

Do you appreciate that it is important for us to see what the Government is proposing so that we can take evidence on it? We need to have the substance of the proposed changes.



Justice Committee 03 March 2015 : Tuesday, March 03, 2015
Elaine Murray

The problem for some of the witnesses last week was that, if the compulsory post-early-release supervision is to be tagged on at the end of the sentence, rather than being part of the sentence, there could be human rights issues. There is the issue of option A and option B, and there has been no clarity yet on a minimum period of compulsory post-release supervision. Evidence needs to be taken on those changes, as I would argue—certainly after hearing what the witnesses said last week—that they are not insignificant.



Justice Committee 03 March 2015 : Tuesday, March 03, 2015
Elaine Murray

Clearly. Our problem with the bill is that originally its provisions would have been stage 2 amendments to the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill, then they were introduced as a stand-alone bill, and now this bill will be significantly amended at stage 2. That makes it difficult to consult properly on the bill. Would you be amenable to an extension of stage 1 or an extended stage 2, so that the committee can take evidence on the proposals?



Justice Committee 03 March 2015 : Tuesday, March 03, 2015
Elaine Murray

As Roddy Campbell suggested, last week’s witnesses found it a bit difficult to comment because they had not been able to see precisely what you were suggesting. When might the amendments be available, so that people can see what the proposals are?



Justice Committee 03 March 2015 : Tuesday, March 03, 2015
Elaine Murray

Gordon Macdonald mentioned the Northern Ireland human trafficking bill. Was the provision in that bill there from the beginning—from the first draft?

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S4M-12521.2 Jackie Baillie: Protecting Public Services and Boosting Scotland’s Economy—As an amendme
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S4M-12521.1 Gavin Brown: Protecting Public Services and Boosting Scotland’s Economy—As an amendment
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NoDefeated

S4M-12521.3 Willie Rennie: Protecting Public Services and Boosting Scotland’s Economy—As an amendmen
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NoDefeated

S4M-12521 John Swinney: Protecting Public Services and Boosting Scotland’s Economy—That the Parliame
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NoCarried

S4M-12495 Joe FitzPatrick on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau: Business Motion—That the Parliament
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NoCarried

S4M-12491.2 John Swinney: Privacy and the State—As an amendment to motion S4M-12491 in the name of W
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S4M-12491.1 Richard Simpson: Privacy and the State—As an amendment to motion S4M-12491 in the name o
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S4M-12491 Willie Rennie: Privacy and the State—That the Parliament notes the Scottish Government’s c
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NoCarried

S4M-12492.2 Jamie Hepburn: Mental Health—As an amendment to motion S4M-12492 in the name of Jim Hume
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NoCarried

S4M-12492 Jim Hume: Mental Health—That the Parliament notes that one in four people will experience
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YesCarried

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